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		<title>by: samsara</title>
		<link>http://samsara.ihostyou.com/done-with-alcoholics-anonymous/#comment-18767</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 03:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;b&gt;Derral&lt;/b&gt; - I am so sorry I completely missed you! So sorry! Thank you for your kind thoughts and words. :) I appreciate them very much.

Do not think it is  lost on me that a newcomer to A.A. may show up here. :) It is my sincere hope that they can see *past* the egos and the sick people and/or even the sick meetings and discover that A.A. *is* the divinely inspired gift of which we are all responsible.

That, perhaps, if a meeting is "sick" and the newcomer has not yet developed her voice, that perhaps she will continue driving or seeking until she DOES find that one meeting or that one person who will help change her life. You know? That one person or one meeting who will click those gears and begin her process to everlasting sobriety and spiritual sustenance and growth which = happiness.

I want - particularly - for the people [who were or are as sick as I used to be] to NOT give UP. That there IS a miracle to be had in A.A. even if the miracles was *not* at yesterday's meeting at 5:30 for example.

I want the newcomer to appreciate and understand that no, not all people are truly tristing God, cleaning house, or helping others and that yes, some people are there for less than honorable reasons....that THIS is when she MUST rely on her intuitive voice to separate the wheat from the chaffe; as mine did for me when it turns out I managed to get sober despite having a homegroup where [I would say] had 50 people a meeting and 85% of them taking pharmaceuticals or on the pot maintenance program.

If God could help me navigate THAT and yet help me get my sponsor and manage to get me to MOSTLY healthy meetings - in which Traditions went observed...If I could get and stay sober under those conditions in tandem with a spouse who despised A.A. for doing what he could not...Then I NEED to stress that anyone can do it.

This is what I hope to share ultimately and thank you so much Derral for blessing this article with your bright spirit Derral - your spirit is so bright it is simply RADIANT and generous!! I LOVE that. &lt;a href="http://samsara.ihostyou.com/highly-sensitive-person/" rel="nofollow"&gt;You must be HSP also&lt;/a&gt;!!

I look forward to seeing more of your comments and when I finally move everything over to livingsamsara.com I TRULY hope to be able to keep up with your comments more easily. [This version of my platform is old and clunky and I need an upgrade anyway!]

&lt;b&gt;Lynette&lt;/b&gt; - A.A. brings people together doesn't it? Wow. Wouldn't that be something? I hope she subscribed to comments and can read your post so she can answer! :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Derral</b> - I am so sorry I completely missed you! So sorry! Thank you for your kind thoughts and words. :) I appreciate them very much.</p>
<p>Do not think it is  lost on me that a newcomer to A.A. may show up here. :) It is my sincere hope that they can see *past* the egos and the sick people and/or even the sick meetings and discover that A.A. *is* the divinely inspired gift of which we are all responsible.</p>
<p>That, perhaps, if a meeting is &#8220;sick&#8221; and the newcomer has not yet developed her voice, that perhaps she will continue driving or seeking until she DOES find that one meeting or that one person who will help change her life. You know? That one person or one meeting who will click those gears and begin her process to everlasting sobriety and spiritual sustenance and growth which = happiness.</p>
<p>I want - particularly - for the people [who were or are as sick as I used to be] to NOT give UP. That there IS a miracle to be had in A.A. even if the miracles was *not* at yesterday&#8217;s meeting at 5:30 for example.</p>
<p>I want the newcomer to appreciate and understand that no, not all people are truly tristing God, cleaning house, or helping others and that yes, some people are there for less than honorable reasons&#8230;.that THIS is when she MUST rely on her intuitive voice to separate the wheat from the chaffe; as mine did for me when it turns out I managed to get sober despite having a homegroup where [I would say] had 50 people a meeting and 85% of them taking pharmaceuticals or on the pot maintenance program.</p>
<p>If God could help me navigate THAT and yet help me get my sponsor and manage to get me to MOSTLY healthy meetings - in which Traditions went observed&#8230;If I could get and stay sober under those conditions in tandem with a spouse who despised A.A. for doing what he could not&#8230;Then I NEED to stress that anyone can do it.</p>
<p>This is what I hope to share ultimately and thank you so much Derral for blessing this article with your bright spirit Derral - your spirit is so bright it is simply RADIANT and generous!! I LOVE that. <a href="http://samsara.ihostyou.com/highly-sensitive-person/" rel="nofollow">You must be HSP also</a>!!</p>
<p>I look forward to seeing more of your comments and when I finally move everything over to livingsamsara.com I TRULY hope to be able to keep up with your comments more easily. [This version of my platform is old and clunky and I need an upgrade anyway!]</p>
<p><b>Lynette</b> - A.A. brings people together doesn&#8217;t it? Wow. Wouldn&#8217;t that be something? I hope she subscribed to comments and can read your post so she can answer! :-)
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		<title>by: Lynette</title>
		<link>http://samsara.ihostyou.com/done-with-alcoholics-anonymous/#comment-18765</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 03:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Gail Robey, if this is the Gail that I used to live with when our mothers were friends in Costa Mesa, it is good to say hello. Sober is good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gail Robey, if this is the Gail that I used to live with when our mothers were friends in Costa Mesa, it is good to say hello. Sober is good.
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		<title>by: samsara</title>
		<link>http://samsara.ihostyou.com/done-with-alcoholics-anonymous/#comment-18714</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 16:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Gail - Holy cow peas! This was said brilliantly and so honestly, do you mind if I reprint? 

"My husband is a fellow recovering alkie and he gets pissed that I don’t go to AA any more, but he is also a big asshole most of the time and I am trying to figure a way out of the relationship. I see myself being a victim,"

Oh Gail! My hats off to you no doubt about that. You know precisely where you want to go as you honestly take inventory and try to figure it is how you're supposed to get there. You then go on to HONESTLY throw out that YES, you are seeing yourself as a victim! AWESOME!

Listen. I believe 100% we have to acknowledge our victim status before we can rise above it. There is a reason you're a *victim* right now. What tool or tools haven't you learned yet? Are you scared of something? Is your EGO trying to keep you there - in bondage? Or hell...how about your alcoholism or codependency...are they whispering that he not "make it" without you or for all his faults &lt;i&gt;at least&lt;/i&gt; he loves you? Or is it the common one? You have no money and/or you cannot support yourself? [Honey, that is what alimony is for. :)]

Tsk. Tsk. Damn it! I see a wonderful woman...indeed, a miraculous work in progress and I sense her suffocation. But yet I also see a beam of bright white light coming through. That bright white light, Gail, is all you need. 

Trust God. Clean House. Work with others [Reach out].

I DO believe all the rest works in time. 

PS. After getting sober I DID figure a way out of my relationship. It was painful as hell and no easy button. [Back when the Staple's "Easy Button" was popular on the commercials?] There was only one "easier, softer way" and that was through it and sober. Agggh. The pain. But that was me. And MINE &lt;b&gt;wasn't&lt;/b&gt; an asshole. But I made it. My partner, too, did the same thing. He didn't feel as pained as I did...but she did it. [And she, too, was not an asshole.]

I guess what I am saying is that it could be worse. Your husband could be a kind man. =)

I'm going to pray that you gain the wisdom and courage you need to continue evolving to the place you want to be Gail. Would you do the same for me?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gail - Holy cow peas! This was said brilliantly and so honestly, do you mind if I reprint? </p>
<p>&#8220;My husband is a fellow recovering alkie and he gets pissed that I don’t go to AA any more, but he is also a big asshole most of the time and I am trying to figure a way out of the relationship. I see myself being a victim,&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh Gail! My hats off to you no doubt about that. You know precisely where you want to go as you honestly take inventory and try to figure it is how you&#8217;re supposed to get there. You then go on to HONESTLY throw out that YES, you are seeing yourself as a victim! AWESOME!</p>
<p>Listen. I believe 100% we have to acknowledge our victim status before we can rise above it. There is a reason you&#8217;re a *victim* right now. What tool or tools haven&#8217;t you learned yet? Are you scared of something? Is your EGO trying to keep you there - in bondage? Or hell&#8230;how about your alcoholism or codependency&#8230;are they whispering that he not &#8220;make it&#8221; without you or for all his faults <i>at least</i> he loves you? Or is it the common one? You have no money and/or you cannot support yourself? [Honey, that is what alimony is for. :)]</p>
<p>Tsk. Tsk. Damn it! I see a wonderful woman&#8230;indeed, a miraculous work in progress and I sense her suffocation. But yet I also see a beam of bright white light coming through. That bright white light, Gail, is all you need. </p>
<p>Trust God. Clean House. Work with others [Reach out].</p>
<p>I DO believe all the rest works in time. </p>
<p>PS. After getting sober I DID figure a way out of my relationship. It was painful as hell and no easy button. [Back when the Staple&#8217;s &#8220;Easy Button&#8221; was popular on the commercials?] There was only one &#8220;easier, softer way&#8221; and that was through it and sober. Agggh. The pain. But that was me. And MINE <b>wasn&#8217;t</b> an asshole. But I made it. My partner, too, did the same thing. He didn&#8217;t feel as pained as I did&#8230;but she did it. [And she, too, was not an asshole.]</p>
<p>I guess what I am saying is that it could be worse. Your husband could be a kind man. =)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to pray that you gain the wisdom and courage you need to continue evolving to the place you want to be Gail. Would you do the same for me?</p>
<p>Samsara
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		<title>by: Gail Robey</title>
		<link>http://samsara.ihostyou.com/done-with-alcoholics-anonymous/#comment-17960</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hi Samsara, I too have been sober for many years, haven't been to an AA meeting in probably ten years or so.  I go to other 12 step recovery meetings where there is a little more acceptance, a little more humility.  I love the 12 steps and traditions but it's true, I see a lot of "tough love" used as the first resort instead of the last, which I don't agree with.  I am sad that there are so many shitty meetings out there.  My husband is a fellow recovering alkie and he gets pissed that I don't go to AA any more, but he is also a big asshole most of the time and I am trying to figure a way out of the relationship.  I see myself being a victim, this is a big learning experience for me at this tiime.  This is a great site, I have been reading a lot of the archived articles and really enjoying them.  I am also codependent, compulsive eater, spender, you name it....but a work in progress.  Thanks.  Gail</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Samsara, I too have been sober for many years, haven&#8217;t been to an AA meeting in probably ten years or so.  I go to other 12 step recovery meetings where there is a little more acceptance, a little more humility.  I love the 12 steps and traditions but it&#8217;s true, I see a lot of &#8220;tough love&#8221; used as the first resort instead of the last, which I don&#8217;t agree with.  I am sad that there are so many shitty meetings out there.  My husband is a fellow recovering alkie and he gets pissed that I don&#8217;t go to AA any more, but he is also a big asshole most of the time and I am trying to figure a way out of the relationship.  I see myself being a victim, this is a big learning experience for me at this tiime.  This is a great site, I have been reading a lot of the archived articles and really enjoying them.  I am also codependent, compulsive eater, spender, you name it&#8230;.but a work in progress.  Thanks.  Gail
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		<title>by: derral</title>
		<link>http://samsara.ihostyou.com/done-with-alcoholics-anonymous/#comment-17714</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 18:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>hey, samsara, I believe that all the "disruptive" people in meetings are an example also, a bad one. I'm in my 18th year in recovery, and finding it difficult to sit through, or even go to a meeting. absolutes, i hear them constantly, and that leaves no room for "grey areas". AA saved my life, what a divinely inspired gift. perhaps some of us have grown past it, and can "give back" in others places. cool. I'm burn't also. bless your heart samsara, for reaching out.  is it healthy for the newcomer to hear or read your opinions (i agree with them), will it send them to meetings being judgemental, defensive? or will it encourage them to get active and change it?  i believe the meetings are Gods, not ours, and truly you said, if God ain't there, the meeting will fold. to me , aa guides us on a jouney to the spirit, it's simply supposed to be about GOD!!!!!!!!!! you've enforced some of my thoughts, given me insight, bless you.  keep rocking the boat girl, but KINDLY. THANKS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey, samsara, I believe that all the &#8220;disruptive&#8221; people in meetings are an example also, a bad one. I&#8217;m in my 18th year in recovery, and finding it difficult to sit through, or even go to a meeting. absolutes, i hear them constantly, and that leaves no room for &#8220;grey areas&#8221;. AA saved my life, what a divinely inspired gift. perhaps some of us have grown past it, and can &#8220;give back&#8221; in others places. cool. I&#8217;m burn&#8217;t also. bless your heart samsara, for reaching out.  is it healthy for the newcomer to hear or read your opinions (i agree with them), will it send them to meetings being judgemental, defensive? or will it encourage them to get active and change it?  i believe the meetings are Gods, not ours, and truly you said, if God ain&#8217;t there, the meeting will fold. to me , aa guides us on a jouney to the spirit, it&#8217;s simply supposed to be about GOD!!!!!!!!!! you&#8217;ve enforced some of my thoughts, given me insight, bless you.  keep rocking the boat girl, but KINDLY. THANKS
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		<title>by: A Darn Good Look At Living Within Samsara &#124; Darn Good Reviews</title>
		<link>http://samsara.ihostyou.com/done-with-alcoholics-anonymous/#comment-16698</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 04:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] Being open about her recovery from alcoholism, Samsara shares her experiences and her advice so that others may benefit. In addition to writing about the well-known Alcoholics Anonymous program, she&#8217;s able to inject a little of her own struggles in other posts such as Astral Dream Dark Presence and Done with Alcoholics Anonymous. In fact, I&#8217;d say this latter post of hers is a testament to how she continues to break free from the embrace of alcoholism by informing her readers how her AA group failed to meet their objectives. It takes a strong person to not only identify something like that, but to also act on it by deciding to leave the group and seek help elsewhere. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Being open about her recovery from alcoholism, Samsara shares her experiences and her advice so that others may benefit. In addition to writing about the well-known Alcoholics Anonymous program, she&#8217;s able to inject a little of her own struggles in other posts such as Astral Dream Dark Presence and Done with Alcoholics Anonymous. In fact, I&#8217;d say this latter post of hers is a testament to how she continues to break free from the embrace of alcoholism by informing her readers how her AA group failed to meet their objectives. It takes a strong person to not only identify something like that, but to also act on it by deciding to leave the group and seek help elsewhere. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Alcoholics and Drug Addicts in Alcoholics Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 16:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>by: Gene</title>
		<link>http://samsara.ihostyou.com/done-with-alcoholics-anonymous/#comment-12767</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 04:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>the spiritual foundation of all our traditions, ever reminding us to place principles before personalities

Not everyone in AA is sober, not all drunks are in AA we have to place our trust in a higher power.</description>
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<p>Not everyone in AA is sober, not all drunks are in AA we have to place our trust in a higher power.
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		<title>by: isabella mori</title>
		<link>http://samsara.ihostyou.com/done-with-alcoholics-anonymous/#comment-5485</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>what a great post.  you are so right.  12-step programs are great IF they observe the traditions and the generous, tolerant, loving and utterly democratic spirit that sustains it.  it's really tragic that the ones that don't observe the traditions and the principles can turn from a life raft into a sinking boat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what a great post.  you are so right.  12-step programs are great IF they observe the traditions and the generous, tolerant, loving and utterly democratic spirit that sustains it.  it&#8217;s really tragic that the ones that don&#8217;t observe the traditions and the principles can turn from a life raft into a sinking boat.
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		<title>by: wagg.it</title>
		<link>http://samsara.ihostyou.com/done-with-alcoholics-anonymous/#comment-4260</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 05:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;strong&gt;Done with Alcoholics Anonymous...&lt;/strong&gt;

Done with Alcoholics Anonymous...</description>
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<p>Done with Alcoholics Anonymous&#8230;
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